entire Armenian genocide claim is as bogus as a three-dollar bill and
(they) know it!
"...[T]he Turks have almost always
over-stated the numbers of their Christian subjects. I have known of cases
where the census had been fairly taken. The Armenians or the Greeks came, let
us say, to 12 per cent. The Armenian or the Greek patriarch called upon the
Turkish Governor and protested that his people were full 20 per cent,
threatening to make a row about it if the estimate was not corrected. The
governor, knowing that his people are not great at figures, and wishing to
avoid a scandal, yields the point which seems to him of slight importance. The
patriarch then tells the foreign consuls interested: ‘You see the Turks
themselves have put us down at twenty—they naturally under-estimate us for
their own purposes—the figure is, of course, much nearer forty per cent.’”
Marmaduke Pickthall, “The Truth at
Last,” The New Age, July 17, 1919, Vol. XXV. No. 12.
On this page, we will
examine numbers regarding  The Armenians, and (just for the heck of it, at bottom)  The Turks.
TABLE OF CONTENTS
1) Pre-War Ottoman-Armenian Population figures
1a) Further figures, including nine vilayets
1b) Arnold Toynbee
2) From an "Honest"
3) Rate of Armenian Immigration to the
4) Nubar, Patriarch, Hovannisian on
4a) Armenian delegation stat on refugees: 700k
5) The Ottoman Census
6) 1 million Armenians lost to
7) Patriarch breakdown of bloated 2.1
8) Lepsius & Walker: Patriarch said
9) Frenchman vouches for 300,000 dead
10) Near East Relief: 1.7 mil survivors in
11) Sam Weems
12) Stanford Shaw
13) Various Estimates from a Turkish Web Site
13a) Armenian deleg.: 1.6 mil pre-war pop.,
14) Justin McCarthy
15) A "Reliable" Armenian Count
16) Anti- Turks: 1) Churchill 2)
Harbord 3) Rockwell
4) Toynbee 5) Montgomery
17) Three Computations for 300,000 Mortality
18) Le Figaro: Only 15,000
19) How Many Relocated, How Many Massacred
19a) Boghos Nubar's 1918 Letter to French Minister
19b) Postwar Armenian Worldwide Pop. Figures
19c) More Armenian Mortality Estimates
19d) Yusuf Halacoglu
20) Talat Pasha's "Black Covered
21) Armenian Reactions to the Numbers
22) The Old Armenian "Duck &
23) How Many Turks Died
24) Turk-Unfriendly Estimates on Turkish Dead
25) Documentation for 520,000 Turkish
The various sources calculating the
number of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire shortly before the time of the
From Sam Weems' book, "ARMENIA:
Secrets of a "Christian" Terrorist State." Looks like the Ottoman census is a good, reliable median figure.
("Lepsius" was a vicar and
President of the German-Armenian society, with no sympathy for Turks; he added
a quarter-million to the above figure in 1921; Patriarch
Malachia Ormanian's figure is from the early 20th century, shortly before the
war; the source is Esat Uras. In Kemal Cicek's "The Ottoman Armenians:
The Question of Relocation and Immigration During WWI," there is a
different Ormanian figure, from 1913: 1,915,651.) If around 1,300,000
Armenians lived in the Ottoman Empire, it would be a little difficult to have
"exterminated" 1,500,000 of them. This is the figure most often
quoted by Armenians, regarding the victims of the "Genocide"... but
it's not that uncommon to come across figures of two million, three million.... sometimes
even "four millions."
The Motion Picture
Committee chairman admitted
in so many words that this 1919 film, the stage version of which was
produced by the Near East
Relief, was a propaganda effort; the more people that could be told
the sob story, the more money that could be bilked from teary-eyed, fellow
Christian Americans. Thus the unethical exaggeration of the casualty
figures... sadly coming from religious missionaries.
As late as 1988, some agreed with nearly the above
contention, such as crack fact-checking Associated Press Writer, Brian Murphy.
From "Armenian's Long Life Full of Adventure," The News Post
Leader, Feb. 3, 1988: "During the Turkish occupation of Armenia
during World War I, [Krikor] Derderian was the only survivor of a barn fire
set by the Turks. Hundreds perished in the fire, some of the estimated 3.5
million Armenians massacred by the Turks between 1915 and 1920."
Ludovic de Constenson (who gives the 1913
Ottoman-Armenian population as 1,400,000 from chart above:1,150,000
Asiatic + 250,000 European), also calculated 1,550,000 Russian-Armenians and
3,100,000 as the world-wide figure.
1,475,000 (Among foreign sources, Cuinet researched the
Ottoman population [on behalf of the Debt Commission, taking twelve years]
more than anyone. The French recognized these figures as official enough to
use them for their Yellow Book. Cuinet's research was primarily based on
information from local churches, which tended to exaggerate, and these
statistics were from before the 1894 revolts, after which hundreds of
thousands of Armenians emigrated. The above figure is for Asian Turkey.
Hovannisian adds that "Cuinet utilized (La Turquie d’Asie, Paris,
1890-95), showing only the Vilayet of Bitlis did Armenians constitute more
than 30% ofthe population." Citing a Kevork-Mesrob footnote in his 1967 book
(p. 37):“Cuinet himself had confessed that his statistics were unreliable
and complained that Ottoman officials had refused to make available much
Sari, the Frenchman.........................
1,475,011 (Taken, it appears, from Cuinet's French
Yellow book figures.)
1,000,000? or 1,500,000
Alexander Powell..................................... 1,500,000 (3,000,000 world, 1,000,000 Russia)
Lynch ....................................1,325,246 (The
six provinces: 387,746; rest of Asian Turkey: 751,500; European Turkey:
186,000; the 1901 figure in chart above might allude to the 1,058,000 from
nine provinces, as Lynch footnoted on p. 10 of his book. Perhaps next to
Cuinet, Lynch carried on the most detailed study.)
[Add roughly 200,000 to get complete
Arminius Vámbéry (1896?)................ 1.13 million
Selonoy, early 20th century................ 726,750
British consul Major Henry Trotter..........780,750
Zelenof, early 20th century................ 921,000
Jakmen, early 20th century................ 1.33 million
Britannica Almanac / Yearbook, 1917..............
The latter offers the
same figure as the one for the 1912 British Blue Book, in the table above.
Also from that table, there is an asterisk (*) for the Ormanian
reference; it most likely alludes to the source: Esat Uras, Tarihte Ermeniler
ve Ermeni Meselesi, Armenians in History and the Armenian Question , Istanbul,
1987. This work is also the source for Cuinet, who based his numbers from the
information provided by Armenian churches. Sari, and the above table's Lepsius.
Thanks to "Armenian Claims and Realities," Dr. Hüsamettin
Yildirim, Ankara, 2001.
from the Catholic Encyclopedia of 1907) .......
in Asia Minor (& 7,179,000 Moslems)
Erik J. Zurcher...................................1,500,000
("Turkey, A Modern History" Tauris
Publishers, London, p.120. "Estimates of the total number of Armenians in
the empire vary, but a number of around 1.500.000, some 10% of the population
of Ottoman Anatolia, is probably a reasonable estimate.")
Nicole and Hugh Pope...................................1,500,000
("Turkey Unveiled," Overlook Press, NY. p.
Hester Donaldson Jenkins........................nearly 2,000,000 in almost the world;
the figure refers to Armenians who were "Russian, Persian and Turkish
subjects." ("Armenia and the Armenians," National
Geographic Magazine, Oct. 1915,
David Magie........................ 1,479,000
(exc. European Turkey, 1914)
Luigi Villari ...........................................................1,500,0)0
("Fire and Sword in the Caucasus," 1906,
p. 147; also, Russia: 1,200,000, and "only a few hundred thousands
remaining in Persia and other parts of the world.")
The Minneapolis Morning Tribune (10-8-1915)...........1,500,000 (Affairs of Our Turkish Ally; "It is not likely that
anything will be done to stop the slaughter of a nation of a million and a
half of people, 800,000 of whom are said to have perished already by the
sword, by starvation and by exposure.")
F. Tournebize (1900).............................................. 1,300,000
(Histoire Politique et Religieuse de L'Armenie, Paris 1916)
Dr. M. Symbad Gabriel..............................................
(Gabriel [Gabrelian] was the propagandistic president of the Armenian General
Progressive Association in the USA. From 450,000 Armenians Reported
Massacred, Dallas News, Aug. 25, 1915 [Also NYTimes, 9-25-15]. Along with
450,000 massacred, he estimated 600,000 "rendered homeless or
Britannica (1911)............................... 1,500,000
(1.5 million Armenians in Russia, as well. 1953 Britannica
edition: 2,500,550. The writer: an Armenian.)
Halil Berktay ................................................................
(2005 Hurriyet Newspaper Interview; see below)
Miss Emily C. Wheeler
................................................. 1,500,000 (Secretary
of the National Armenia and India Relief association, having "spent
eighteen years in Armenia": "Out of the Armenian nation, 1,500 000
people, 800,000 have boen killed or deported." Fort Wayne News, "Enver
Pasha's Boast of Bloody Butchery," Oct. 7, 1915.)
LORD JAMES BRYCE...............................................
(Sven Hedin, Bagdad, Babylon, Ninive, 1918; his
source is p. 11 of a Danish translation of a brochure written by Arnold
Toynbee, containing an Oct. 6, 1915 speech delivered by Bryce to the House of
Lords; described as a "memorandum" by Bryce, so perhaps it wasn't
from the speech itself. In the speech, Bryce claimed 250,000
Ottoman-Armenians deserted to the Russians.)
(Armenian newspaper, Tiflis)......................... 1,200,000
(As reported in the New York Times,
"Only 200,000 Armenians left in Turkey," Oct. 22, 1915: "The
figures of the Mshak are based on the estimate of the Armenian Patriarch at
Constantinople that 850,000 Armenians have been killed or enslaved by the
Turks. In addition to which 200,000 Armenians are believed to have fled to
Arshag Mahdesian ..................................................... 1,100,000
(As reported by the
self-described "Armenian Editor and Publicist" in the New York
Times, Oct. 28, 1915 ["The Light That May Go Out in Turkey"]:
"The whole population of the Turkish empire is estimated at 32,000,000,
of whom only 1,100,000 are Armenians.")
George Montgomery (source below)..................... 1,600,000
Arnold Toynbee ......................................1,000,000-1,100,000
(See box below for source. In his 1916
"Treatment" report, he settled on 1,600,000, the midway point
between what he thought was the Ottomans' 1.1 million, and the Patriarch's 2.1
(Turkish Memories, 1914, ca. p. 69:
"...In that mysterious country which Europeans are in the habit of
calling Armenia... making every allowance for the unreliability of statistics,
can scarcely exceed a million and a half...")
(Author of "The Armenian
Race," an insightful article
appearing in The Washington Herald, August 25, 1907.)
German Embassy report...........................Less
(From the British Archives, 1914, as published in Armenia: Political And
Ethnic Boundaries 1878–1948, 1998; for eight provinces. Copy.)
(Lloyd was the pro-Armenian British consul in Erzurum; these figures are for
the "Non-Moslems" — which included Greeks; see following listing
— of the five provinces, Van, Bitlis, Diarbakir, Harput and Erzurum, for
1890. The Sublime Porte figures are also provided in this report that the
Armenian Patriarch had a hand in, which wasn't far off at 512,372. Copy.)
British Archival report..........................................1,097,960
(Affaires Arméniennes 1893-1897, for Asia Minor. Copy. Thanks
for these last three listings.)
M. N. Vendiand....................................................1,500,000
(Terror in Adana, The Frankfurter Zeitung, 13 June 1909.)
According to Sir Charles
Wilson, the total Armenian population of the nine provinces was only
Dixon-Johnson, British author, paraphrased from his 1916 book, "The Armenians."
population of Armenians living in the eastern provinces plus Istanbul was
only 761,000. (The Armenians of the Ottoman Empire would then total
some 1 million to 1.1 million.)
Toynbee, paraphrased, from his 1915 book, "Nationality and the War."
(After being positioned in the Propaganda Department of the British
Ministry of Defense in 1916, Toynbee preferred to give credence to the
Patriarch's 2.1 million... DOUBLE.)
arrived at 760,000, for the Armenians in Asian Turkey.
Holdwater: If the pre-war Ottoman-Armenian population
was actually closer to one million than one-and-a-half million, and we
employ the subtraction method above, perhaps the absurdly low conclusion
of Armenian casualties that Le Figaro came up with (15,000,
as stated below) might not be far from the truth.
(In case of previous linkage, Encyclopedia Britannica item has been moved
The 1920 Paris edition of Population
Armenienne is reported to have attributed to the Armenian Patriarchate the
figure of 1.02 million Ottoman-Armenians in 1912 (which bears research, as
patriarchs had a way of claiming astronomical numbers; like the Patriarch at the
time of the Berlin Conference, who expected the world to swallow a whopping 3
million. He later "revised" to 1,780,000. The greater the number, the
better with which to persuade European imperialists to give them free land.
MEMBER OF THE PATRIARCHATE
Cuinet wrote: "An Armenian clerical writer (Vahan
Vardapet in an Armenian newspaper published in Constantinople, the
Djeridei Sharkieh, dated 3/15 December 1886), who appears not to err on the
side of exaggeration, has placed the entire Gregorian population, that is the
great bulk of his countrymen in Turkey, at 1,263,900 souls. It is
reasonable to suppose that the Armenian subjects of the Sultan number upwards
of one and a half millions."
Cuinet based his research on church
records, and Vardapet's figure, while probably still exaggerated in typical
Patriarch style, at least didn't fly off the page, as with the Armenian
Patriarch's claim of 3 million a few years earlier (later revised to a still
exaggerated 1.78 million.) Late 19th century figures are not irrelevant, as
hundreds of thousands of Armenians emigrated after the mid-1890s revolts, and
more continued doing so with the reforms of 1908. Given the difference of this
balance, the population statistics of the late 19th century was fairly in line
with the Ottoman-Armenian population just before the outbreak of the war.
The terror of 1895 and 1896 spurred
thousands of Armenians to emigrate to the U.S. where they later helped
their government to take an active interest in the diplomacy dismembering
the Ottoman Empire. The trickle of 2.000 Armenian immigrants into U.S.
before 1895 had become a gush of 20.000 by 1914. The Protestant Armenian
church in Harput in 1 year alone lost 25% of its 3.000 constituents as
Joseph L. Grabill, PROTESTANT DIPLOMACY AND THE NEAR EAST,
Univ. of Minnesota Press, 1971, p. 42.
And it wasn't only the USA that
Ottoman-Armenians were emigrating to; even Armenian historians agree there
was a huge number of Armenians who left the Ottoman Empire after the
turmoil of the 1890s. Making up for increases in population, what this
means is that such an outflow allowed for the population to remain fairly
constant. The roughly 1.5 million Armenians Vardapet indicated above could
not have changed significantly.
In the interest of
accuracy, Some of these figures do not take into account the entirety of
the Ottoman Empire. Not all can be accepted at face value, without
Boghos Nubar Pasha
stated that 280,000 Armenians remained in the Ottoman Empire
after the war, while some 700,000 emigrated elsewhere. This statement
indicates that some 980,000 Armenians survived the war, which is in keeping
with the statement of a recent anti-Turkish Armenian proclamation (where a million Ottoman-Armenian survivors
were claimed; the very same number, as you will read below,
was also the contention of the Armenian Patriarch in 1921). If we subtract
this "million" figure from the estimated Armenian population in the
Ottoman Empire before the war, we can begin to get an idea of the true numbers
of the Armenian dead.
The Istanbul Armenian Patriarch gave (to the British, in
1921) the figure of Armenians still remaining inside Ottoman borders, before
the Sevres Agreement, as 625,000* (as opposed to Nubar's 280,000; to be
exact, the Patriarch's figure was 624,900, and there were an additional 20,000
estimated hidden Armenians afraid to surface. So, actually, the Patriarch was
vouching for up to 644,900
survivors within the Ottoman borders). In a 1918 letter to French Minister
Gout, Nubar might have similarly undercounted with his claim of 140,000
Armenians in Iran & Syria/Mesopotamia. (See below.)
Richard Hovannisian concluded there were 500,000 Armenian refugees in
Transcaucasia. ("The Republic of
Armenia - I," pg.126) Add them up: 1,265,000
Armenian survivors. (Which curiously corresponds to
the number the Patriarch had provided in 1918 as the total number of Armenian
survivors still residing in the Empire; see below.)
Subtract from a pre-war population of about 1.5 million. (Hovannisian's figure
differs from the League of Nations Emigrants' Committee** report, calculating
400,000-420,000 for Transcaucasia/Russia. But Prof. Hovannisian is known as a
"renowned" Armenian scholar; the above are all from Armenian
sources. For those who fancy Hovannisian, his figures for refugees in the
other regions also differ from Nubar's, pushing the number of survivors higher
up by a further 135,000: [" The Ebb and Flow of
the Armenian Minority in the Arab Middle East," Middle East Journal, Vol.
28, No. 1 (Winter 1974), p. 20]:
Iraq ... 25,000
Let's keep in mind the Hovannisian figures may not tell
us exactly when these people were where they were, as opposed to 1921's
Patriarch and 1918's Nubar.)
*[F.O. Hc. 1/8008, XC/A-018055, p. 651]
ANOTHER STATISTIC ON
In the spring of 1919, former ambassador
Morgenthau wrote to General Harbord that "750,000 Armenians were
practically marooned in Transcaucasia" (Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan.)
From Richard Hovannisian's "The Republic of Armenia," Vol.
II, p. 48
ARMENIAN STATISTIC ON OTTOMAN-ARMENIAN REFUGEES:
The United Armenian Delegation submitted a memorandum to the Lausanne
Conference in November 1922 which read,
in part::"...700,000 have emigrated to the Caucasus, to Iran,
to Syria, to Greece, to the Balkan States, and to other places."
THE OTTOMAN CENSUS
This 1880 Ottoman census had the Armenians in
the Six Vilayets at 781,800.
A Jew, Fethi Franco, ran the General Management
of Statistics in the Ottoman State between 1892-1897; the 1893 Ottoman
census had the Armenian population at 1,001,465.
The Ottoman census of 1906 had the
Armenians at 1,120,748. An Armenian, Migirdic Shabanyan (or Shinabyan),
was in charge of the Ottoman census bureau shortly before, from 1897 to 1903.
From 1903-1908, an American (a Mr. Robert) ran the joint.
The 1914 "census" had the
Armenian population at 1,221,850; between 1908-1914 a Turk was in
charge (Mehmet Behic Bey)... but the figure obviously could not have been
falsified, based on previous years' counts, all run by non-Turks.
to the official document breaking down this figure ("Proportions
des populations musulmanes, grecques et arméniennes en
Asie-Mineure d'après la statistique officielle
d'1914"); note this figure varies with the more
common "1,295,000" figure for 1914, as related,
for example, in the table below — see
listing No. 10. There was no census taken in 1914, and
this figure was a kind of update.)
Contrary to how some Armenians feel, every step
the Ottomans took was not geared toward the Armenians. Consequently, if the
Ottomans went through the trouble and expense of conducting a census, the
purpose was not to tell the world the empire had fewer Armenians than the
reality. One can apply a margin of error in case there was an undercount (for
reasons of tax evasion, for example), but any possible undercount could not
have been intentional; it would have defeated the purpose of taking the census
in the first place. This margin of error certainly should not exceed more than
a couple of hundred thousand.
To understand the background of the Ottoman
census according to Kamuran Gurun's "The Armenian File,"
Prof. Justin McCarthy informs us of an extremely important point (from The
Population Of the Ottoman Armenians): "Although the modern Ottoman
population registration system began in the 1830s, not until just before World
War I did the Ottomans publish any of the data in a western language, only
in Ottoman Turkish, indicating the published statistics were not meant to
affect foreign opinion. Internal population documents, never intended to
be seen outside the administration and only recently found in archives, and
those published statistics were consistent with each other. In short, the
intent of the Ottoman Government was to produce the type of usable, accurate
population statistics that were seen in other countries."
Richard G. Hovannisian wrote in 'Armenia on
the Road to Independence,' 1967, p. 13:
"The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the
Empire increased the area of Transcaucasia to over
130,000 square miles. The estimated population of the
entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000
(20 percent) were Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent)
Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem. Of the
latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically,
barely one-third of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in
the Erevan guberniia, where the Christians constituted
a majority in only three of the seven uezds."
Holdwater: Even if this
figure of 940,000 Armenians did not account for every single Armenian in the
Ottoman Empire, the concentration of Armenians lived in this region... so even
Prof. Hovannisian is mostly in agreement with the late 19th century estimates,
above. So can anyone answer where he got off reaching "genocide"
casualty figures of upwards of 1 million and over in later books, such as The
Republic of Armenia, when even Armenians agree one million of their
numbers had survived. (ADDENDUM, 8-06: Looks like I have erred, by
thinking the professor was referring to the Ottomans with the word
"empire," but given that the Ottomans had lost Kars & Batum
since 1877, the above is in reference to the Russian Empire. What Hovannisian
is claiming is that an entire near-million Ottoman-Armenians had been lost.
This development would greatly reduce the odds for inflated pre-WWI population
figures approaching 2 million and above. Another perspective.)
Note also what is Armenia today didn't
have an Armenian majority as late as 1886. Wonder what happened to all the
Turks living there?
Prof. Hovannisian appears to have been
more objective in 1967, which might account for why this work of his is rarely
cited in Armenian resources. In this work, Richard Hovannisian reports the
Armenian population before 1914 was less
than 2 million but more than 1.5 million. (p. 9) He provides a U.S. archival source
testifying the Armenians themselves had settled on 1.6 million at the Peace Conference (bearing in mind the words "at
least" were added... which sounds to me like the figure couldn't have
been much more than 1.6 million, otherwise the Armenians would have said
He is in agreement with fellow
Armenophile Christopher Walker
who states before WWI there were
between 1,500,000-2,000,000 Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. ("Armenia -
Survival of a Nation," 1981, p. 230)
On the other hand, Venezuelan adventurer
Rafael Nogales opined there were 2.5 million
Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. Even the Armenian Patriarch didn't go that
high (2.1 million), according to Toynbee's 1916 "Treatment of
Armenians" propaganda. (Pasdermadjian, the son of the ethnic cleansing
rebel and Ottoman Bank terrorist Garo,
also went with the Patriarch's 2.1 million, further claiming a 4.1 million
worldwide population, 1.7 million from Russia.)
To further elaborate on the 2.1 million Patriarch figure,
Greek Prime Minister Venizelos submitted the following chart (dated 12-30-18)
for Armenian population figures at the Peace Conference, given to him by the
Armenian delegation in Paris. (There were two; one was headed by Boghos Nubar,
and they later merged. The following is from the book, "Greece's
Anatolian Venture — and After [1915-1922]," Alexander Anastasius
Pallis, Methuen & Co., London, 1934; Turkish translation, Yunanliran
Anadolu Macerasi [1915-1922], 1994.)
| present pop.
|| Eastern Vilayets
||Rest of Anatolia
Note even the exaggerated Armenian figures did not
go much over 800,000 as the total war dead. Yet the common consensus today is
"more than a million."
(Richard Hovannisian broke down the 2.1 million figure as such, in
his 1967 work, Armenia On the Road to Independence: Turk Armenians:
1,018,000 Other 6 vilayet peripheral areas: 145,000 Cilicia: 407,000 Eur.
Turkey and rest of Empire: 530,000; Prof. Hovannisian added [p. 37]: "...even
if the maximal figures of the Patriarchate are accepted as accurate, there is
conclusive evidence that the Armenian population in the eastern province did
not represent a majority.")
JOHANNES LEPSIUS, as a defense witness
in the trial of Soghoman Tehlirian,
stated the following:
"Just before the war, the Armenians in Turkey
numbered 1,850,000. There is no such thing as an
absolutely accurate demographic census in country like Turkey; however, this
figure corresponds to the statistics of the Armenian Patriarchate in
Lepsius corroborated the above, or more
precisely with the congregation lists of the Patriarch for the total of 1,845,450
in Lepsius' introduction of his own “Deutschland und Armenien 1914-1918…”,
Potsdam 1919; Lepsius would have been in a position to know, since he worked
with the Patriarch. So the Patriarch contradicts himself, once again... this
time by a whopping quarter-million. (Armenian historian Kevork Aslan also
relied on Patriarchate figures, and here the Patriarch deviated once again;
Aslan's figure is 1,800,000.)
(The mad missionary would go on to
testify that of the above figure, 1.4 million were "deported"... and
ninety percent of the "deported" were killed.)
CHRISTOPHER WALKER backs up Lepsius, offering a more precise figure: "The
Armenians in the Ottoman Empire before World War I amounted to between
1,500,000 and 2,000,000. The Armenian Patriarchate gave the figure as 1,845,450..." (Christopher J. Walker, Armenia: The
Survival of a Nation, New York, second ed. 1990, p. 230) Walker's
breakdown: 250,000 escaped to Russia, 1 million killed, a third of the
remaining 600,000 "forcibly Islamised." Walker's total of 850,000
survivors falls short of even Dadrian & Balakian's one million.
Maleville, a French attorney who wrote "The Armenian tragedy of
1915" (La Tragedie Armenienne de 1915, Publications Fernand
Lanore, Paris, 1988, pages 82-83), stated:
"Figures put forward
by the Armenians increase moreover constantly from one year to the next,
very widely until it exceeded the total of the Armenian population
living in the Ottoman Empire in 1914 ! The truth is more moderate, and
moreover it’s sinister enough. By basing itself on the official
statistics of the Ottoman population in 1914, established by a service
organized and managed at the time by an American, whose work was by no
means disputed before examining the facts, we end at a figure of 300
000 victims. Still the latter includes (we have already indicated
it) the ’missing’, that is, the Armenians that have taken refuge in
the area of Van taking a stand with the Russians and withdrew with them
to later settle down in soviet Armenia. The figure missing 300 000
corresponds moreover exactly to that declared, exactly on December 11th,
1918, by the leader of the Armenian delegation in a letter to the
Ministry of Foreign Affairs [Archives of French Foreign affairs, Levant,
1918-1929, Armenia V.M.2, fo.47]"
I have heard the Armenian delegation claimed a loss of 600,000 at
the Peace Conference. At one time, did they actually claim only 300,000
were dead? That is incredible.
A Dec. 11
letter by delegation leader Boghos Nubar to the French Foreign Minister
has been reproduced below; if this is the same one,
it refers to the number of survivors and "deported," but there
is no figure outlining the dead.
SURVIVORS IN 1917: 1,700,000???
The above chart was prepared by the Near
East Relief (the forerunner to today's Near East Foundation, at neareast.org)
in an Oct.-Dec.2003 exhibition at the Museum of the City of New York, showing
Armenian refugees in 1917 (entitled ''Destitute Persons - 1917'').
The Near East Relief counted 2,140,000
surviving Armenians within the Empire and surrounding regions in 1917, and we
can presume (with the Ottoman-Armenians relocated into Syria numbering
1,200,000… added to 500,000 Armenians still in Anatolia) that the Near East
Relief calculated 1,700,000 Armenian SURVIVORS in 1917. That would mean
(-100,000) Armenians died, if we take the upper end of the unbiased population
estimate range, presented above. Then again, of course, the Near East Relief
claimed "four millions" Armenians perished, based
on the poster above of the 1919 film production, RAVISHED ARMENIA, that they
had a hand in. Which means the pre-war Ottoman-Armenian population, counting
over 400,000 the League of Nations had calculated as moving into Russia (in a
separate study), must have been over six million people. Lord, those
missionaries sure knew how to count.
I contacted the NEF to try and see how these
figures were arrived at, and they expressed regret that they could not
"reconstruct who prepared this particular chart. All the material does
belong to our tremendous archives and a research in this matter would be
(Thanks to Yuksel Oktay for making a record of this chart.)
from Sam Weems' book, ARMENIA
Many scholars and authors throughout the Western world are in
agreement that rarely, in the pages of history, have facts been so deliberately altered to
deceive and create an untrue picture.
The Armenians have told tall tales over and over again to create public opinion within the
Christian world that they are a martyred state for the cause of Jesus Christ. The
Armenians have enjoyed capitalizing on Christian prejudice, fear, and hatred of anything
that was not Christian.
The greatest tall tale being told by Armenians today is that more than 1.5 million of
their forefathers were massacred by Turks in 1915 in what they claim was the first
genocide of the twentieth century. These Armenians are coming up with more Armenians
murdered than there were Armenians in Anatolia.
The Reverend Doctor Cyrus Hamlin was the first president of the
American missionary college in Istanbul (Robert College). He states a propaganda bureau was established
in London in the 1870s which had, for its objective, the foreign spreading of news that
made the Turks and Muslims look bad. He wrote that this ongoing attack on the Turks of this
“one-sided and unreliable information” about any people would, "after a long
period of unchallenged time, would create hostility and hatred that would not be easily
overcome.” Dr. Hamlin went on to add, “Whenever I pick up a paper of western news
I pray O Lord, endow me with a suitable sense of unbelief”
There can be no question but that from the beginning of the Armenian nationalist movement
started in the 1800s. The early period was founded on the use of terrorism and violence.
Not only did the Armenian Church not speak out as a voice of nonviolence and peace — it
actively took part in and condoned the campaigns of terror.
Weems Uses Hovannisian's
Figures to Prove NO GENOCIDE
Professor Stanford Shaw's appraisal:
"Armenians claim that as many as 2 million
were massacred, but no counts of the dead were ever taken, and the actual total can
only be inferred. These claims are based on the supposition that the prewar Armenian
population of the Empire was 2.5 million. According to the Ottoman census of 1914,
however, it was at most 1.3 million. Half of these people lived in the areas
affected by the deportation, but ... it appears that about 400,000 people were
actually transported in 1915-16. In addition, some 700,000 Armenians fled to the
Caucasus, western Europe and the United States. As 100,000 remained in Turkey after
the war, one can conclude that about 300,000 died if one accepts the Ottoman census
reports, or 1.3 million if the Armenian figures are utilized.”
Source: The New York
Times editorial, "The Sorrows of Armenia," April 4,1985;
appraisal from Stanford J. Shaw & Ezel Kural Shaw.
Below, from the authors' History of the
Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey, Vol. II, pp. 314-7
The Entente propaganda mills and Armenian
nationalists claimed that over a million Armenians were massacred during the war.
But this was based on the assumption that the prewar Armenian population numbered
about 2.5 million. The total number of Armenians in the empire before the war in
fact came to at most 1,300,000 according to the Ottoman census. About half of these
were resident in the affected areas, but, with the city dwellers allowed to remain,
the number actually transported came to no more than 400,000, including some
terrorists and agitators from the cities rounded up soon after the war began. In
addition, approximately one-half million Armenians subsequently fled into the
Caucasus and elsewhere during the remainder of the war. Since about 100,000
Armenians lived in the empire afterward, and about 150,000 to 200,000 immigrated to
western Europe and the United States, one can assume that about 200,000 perished as
a result not only of the transportation but also of the same conditions of famine,
disease, and war action that carried away some 2 million Muslims (Turks and Kurds)
at the same time. Careful examination of the secret records of the Ottoman cabinet
at the time reveals no evidence that any of the CUP leaders, or anyone else in the
central government, ordered massacres. To the contrary, orders were to the
provincial forces to prevent all kinds of raids and communal disturbances that might
cause loss of life.
Turkish Web Site
Today, the Armenian
propaganda claims that during the incidents they call genocide, 1,5 million Armenian
people have lost their lives.
Armenians claimed that during
the incidents, 600,000 Armenians died, then the figure they claimed amounted to around 800
thousand. This figure was continuously increased and reached 1,5 million. One should not
be surprised at the continuation of this auction, and that the figure of casualties will
be increased by the Armenian circles to two and even three million tomorrow and in the
days to come.
Unfortunately, also some
means of publication which are famous for their seriousness are attending this auction.
For example, the recorded figure for the Armenian casualties was 600,000 in the 1918
edition of Encyclopedia Britannica, while it was specified as 1,5 million in the 1968
edition of such.
What is the true Armenian
loss? It is for sure that the figure cannot be firmly determined. However, there is a
basic data which may be taken as a basis: the Armenian population in the Ottoman State in
Varying figures are being
given about the Armenian population in the Ottoman state. As it may be estimated, the
figures declared or put forward, through the use of these sources as bases by the Armenian
sources are higher.
It is possible to show the
information on the population of Ottoman Armenians in such a table:
1. According to Marcel Leart (the
Armenian, Krikor Zohrap) using the Armenian Patriarch's figures
2. According to Armenian historian
3. According to the Armenian
delegation which participated in the Paris Peace Conference
4. According to Armenian historian
5. According to the French Yellow
6. According to the Encyclopedia
7. According to Ludovic de
8. According to H.F.B. Lynch
9. According to Revue de Paris
10. According to the Ottoman
11. According to the English
Kevork Aslan's figure breaks down into: 920,000, Anatolia, 180,000 Cilicia, and
700,000 all other Ottoman regions. From his 1914 book printed in Istanbul, Ermenistan ve
Ermeniler/Armenia and Armenians. "Armenian Claims and Realities" has the
Basmaciyan figure at 100,000 less: 2,280,000
Aslan figures above appeared to be from a reliable Internet source, but in mid-2005 I read
his "Armenia and the Armenians From the Earliest Times Until the Great War (1914),
1920, MacMillan Co., NY," and from p 134: "Armenians of Turkey before the great
war numbered approximately 1,800,000. (Anatolia: 950,000; Cilicia [Sis, Adana,
Marash]: 150,000; other regions of Turkey: 700,000)"; he also states on p. 137
that "50% of the Armenian population was sent to an untimely grave," meaning he
believed there were 900,000 survivors, less than the modern Armenian consensus, and
900,000 deaths, also less than the modern consensus.
Regarding Item 3, from Richard Hovannisian's 'Armenia on the Road to
Independence,' 1967, p. 37: "Stats used by the American delegation to the Paris
Peace Conference in 1919 show that prior to the World War there were, at the very least,
1,600,000 Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. Consult U.S. Archives, RG 256,
Putting aside all the figures
of Armenian origin which are evidently exaggerated, the figures of western origin vary
between 1,056,000 and 1,555,000, and the mean value, being 1,300,000, is almost the same
as that in the Ottoman statistics based on the actual census. For this reason, we may
state that the Ottoman Armenian population is 1,300,000.
The first conclusion to be
reached by this table is now that the total Armenian population is 1,300,000, it is
impossible that 1,5 million Armenians (could) have died. That means this claim of the
Armenian propaganda has nothing to do with the reality.
Then what is the true
Armenian loss, on average?
Talat Pasha stated at the
last meeting of the Union and Progress Party that the estimated figure for the Armenian
loss is 300,000.
The French religious man, Monseigneur Touchet stated at a conference that he delivered at
Oeuvre d'Orient in February 1916 that the presumed figure was 500,000 for the Armenian
casualties, however, it may have been exaggerated.
Toynbee shows the Armenian
loss as 600,000. There exists the same figure in the 1918 edition of the Encyclopedia
Britannica. It was also this figure that the Armenians put forward firstly.
Bogos Nubar, the Chairman of the Armenian delegation who participated
in the Paris Peace Conference, stated that there were still 280,000 Armenians then in
Turkey, and 700,000 migrated to other countries. If the calculation of Bogos Nubar is
true, as the total number of the Armenian population is 1,300,000, the Armenian loss is
about 300,000. When it is taken into account the figure for the Armenians who have not
been subject to deportation, immigrated prior to and during the war, and reached their
destination at the end of the deportation process, the same conclusion is drawn about the
Furthermore, one must
remember that the figure for the loss includes those who have died during the guerilla
operation or by taking side with the enemy.
While concluding this issue,
one must be reminded of Turkish losses which are neither taken into account nor thought to
be touched on by the Armenian propaganda and some Western sources.
In any case, Turkish losses
are much higher than those of the Armenians. If we are to believe in the account of Bogos
Nubar, the population gap in the Eastern Anatolia is 1,400,000.
As it is seen, neither a
systematic genocide nor the death of 1,5 million Armenians is likely. Such a claim would
mean nothing more than a deviation from the historical facts and an exploitation of death.
The previous information is from armenianreality.com,
a wonderful site which contains many other verifiable facts and figures. Forget the
potentially biased Turkish source... if facts can be verified, isn't that all that
matters? Why are they often overlooked by the Western media, politicians and scholars?
What forces are at work here... THINK about it!
Professor Justin McCarthy
We now know from reliable statistics that
slightly less than 600,000 Anatolian Armenians died in the wars of 1912-1922...
From The Anatolian Armenians, 1984
Professor Justin McCarthy's sophisticated
demographic study examines all data given for the Armenian population by all
sources, globally and province by province, and he arrives at the conclusion that
there were 1,465,000 Armenians in Anatolia in 1912. Ten years later 881,000 Armenian
survivors could be traced, and Professor McCarthy concludes that some 584,000
Armenians must have died from all causes in the intervening period. This is still,
of course an enormous figure, but Professor McCarthy computes that in the same years
the demographic loss among Anatolian Muslims amounted to 4,000,000 people. Professor
McCarthy comments: "To mention the sufferings of one group and avoid those of
another gives a false picture of what was a human, not simply an ethnic
disaster." Moreover Professor McCarthy finds that "In the East, the areas
of Muslim deaths and Armenian deaths were almost perfectly correlated." This
leads him to the conclusion: "Both Muslims and Christians were killers; both
Muslims and Christians were killed."
From "The Population of the Ottoman
Armenians," a chapter
from a Justin McCarthy book, let us clarify Professor McCarthy's findings.
The 1,465,000 Armenians in 1912 are only from
Anatolia. There were more Armenians. The total is 1,698,301, from the table above...
and it includes 28,000 Armenians from an area that became part of Syria (although
the table above shows roughly 9,000 "Arab" Armenians), and the Armenians
from Istanbul and Ottoman Europe.
McCarthy estimates 881,000 Armenians were left
alive from the 1,465,000 figure, which roughly coincides with the Armenians' claims
of one million Armenian survivors. The Armenian loss is calculated as 584,000, or
41%. "Most of these were victims of the war fought between the Muslims and
Armenians between 1915-1920, directly or indirectly through starvation and disease.
To put the Armenian loss into perspective, it should be noted that the Muslims of
the war zone suffered equally horrific loss: The Muslim population of the Van
province decreased by 62%, that of Bitlis by 42%, that of Erzurum by 31%. Not
coincidentally, these were the provinces of greatest conflict between Ottoman and
Russian armies and Muslim and Armenians civilians."
To get a better idea of how these Armenians lost their lives:
"The largest group of Armenian refugees were those who fled to the Southern
Caucasus. These were not deported to Syria or Iraq. They fled north in three waves:
The Russian Army invaded eastern Anatolia in May of 1915, relieving the Armenians of
Van, who had seized the city from the Ottomans. When the Russian Army was
temporarily forced to retreat from Anatolia, the Armenians of the region the
Russians had conquered accompanied them. The Russians returned in 1916, conquering
most of eastern Anatolia, and many Armenians returned to their homes. In 1918, the
Ottomans advanced, and Armenians departed for the Southern Caucasus once again. Many
of these returned after the Ottomans surrendered to the Allies in October of 1918,
but they left once again when Turkish Republican forces retook the region in 1920.
The 400,000 refugees in the USSR in Table Five (not shown
here) were the survivors of a much larger group. Contemporary
accounts indicate that the refugees starved to death in great numbers, even being
forced to resort to cannibalism. Well in excess of 500,000 must have gone north. In
addition, many, perhaps most, of the Armenians who went to Europe and the Americas
were never deported. Those who fled to Iran were likewise not deported. It can thus
be seen that most Anatolian Armenians were not deported, although their fate as
refugees was misery and death."
"RELIABLE" ARMENIAN COUNT
Professor McCarthy later
goes on to provide an Appendix showing Armenian Patriarchate Statistics, drawn
from the Armenian Archives and published by Raymond Kevorkian and Paul
Paboudjian in 1992. According to this source, the Armenian Patriarch collected
this data from Armenian bishops throughout the Ottoman Empire in 1913. The
professor concludes that while there were some exaggerations, comparison to
Ottoman data does not show great differences. The total from this source is
|THREE ANTI-TURKS WEIGH IN
They accused the Armenians of the Turkish eastern districts of
having acted as spies and agents on behalf of Russia, and of having assailed the
Turkish lines of communication. These charges were probably true; but true or false,
they provoked a vengeance which was also in accord with deliberate policy. In 1915
the Turkish Government began and ruthlessly carried out the infamous general
massacre and deportation of Armenians in Asia Minor. Three or four hundred
thousand men, women, and children escaped into Russian territory and others into
Persia or Mesopotamia (Holdwater note: more or less
in accordance with Dr. McCarthy's findings, above: "The
400,000 refugees in the USSR"); but the clearance of the race
from Asia Minor was about as complete as such an act, on a scale so great, could
well be. It is supposed that about one and a quarter millions of Armenians were
involved, of whom more than half perished.
Therefore, according to Churchill,
"more than" from half of one million (500,000) to half of 1,250,000
(625,000) perished... roughly in accordance with the high end of 600,000
The Armenian people emerged from the Great War scattered, extirpated in many
districts, and reduced through massacre, losses of war and enforce deportations
adopted as an easy system of killing, by at least a third. Out of a community of
about two and a half millions, three-quarters of a million men, women, and
children had perished. But surely this was the end.
Since the worldwide population of Armenians
was three million, I hope that's what Churchill was referring to with "a
community of about two and a half millions." (If he believed that was the
number of Ottoman-Armenians, he was reading too much of his country's war
propaganda.) Regardless, Winston Churchill settled on a maximum figure of 750,000,
for the Armenian mortality.
The above is from his 1929 book, The
World Crisis, vol. 5, "The Aftermath" (New York: Charles Scribner's
Shame on Winston Churchill for
repeating the abominable claims of Wellington House as late as 1929 (e.g., "There
is no reasonable doubt that this crime was planned and executed for political
reasons."), when his own nation could not find the evidence to convict the
Turks in the Malta Tribunal. Old Turcophobes don't die, and in Churchill's case, he
didn't even fade away.
Gen. James Harbord wasn't always anti-Turkish... just most of the
time. He relied almost solely on information given him by the Armenians of the
period. After the Armenians lobbied him in 1919, Harbord concluded:
"The massacres of 1915-16 totaled some 600,000
of whom not less than 500,000 came from within the borders of this new proposed
state. Probably an equal number were deported from the same area."
The general naively accepted the total casualties from all causes combined to have
been derived from "massacres." The "new proposed state" would be
"bounded on the north by the Black Sea, Georgia and Azerbaijan, and extends in
a south easterly direction to include the cities of Alexandretta and Mesina on the
Mediterranean." 66th Congress 2nd session Doc. No. 281. Sam Weems, "Armenia
— Secrets of a 'Christian' Terrorist State"
After the war
it was the Armenians' own contention that 600,000 was their mortality. In
time this figure would double... and go even beyond.
Dr. William Walker
Rockwell's Estimate of Armenian Losses
In his article "The Total of Armenian and Syrian
Dead" Dr. William Walker Rockwell (Professor in Union Theological Seminary
and Member of American Committee for Armenian and Syrian Relief) attempted to
analyze the number of Armenians casualties (published in The New York Times Current
History Magazine, Volume IX, October December, 1916, 1916, p. 337).
In his biased report, Dr. Rockwell wrote:
A common estimate of the morality has been 50 per cent. of the
total Armenian population; in other words, that from 800,000 to 1,000,000 have
perished. In May, when I tabulated in the "Fifth Bulletin of the Committee for
Armenian and Syrian Relief" what we then knew, it seemed probable that the
number of survivors was under 1,150,000. The total Armenian losses to that date
would then be between 450,000 and 850,000 according as we estimate the population
before the war at 1,600,000 or at 2,000,000. In view, however, of the frightful
starvation since reported in the Deir-el-Zor region and elsewhere, it is quite
possible that by this time the losses have reached 50 per cent.
Holdwater adds: So while nearly half
a year earlier, the Armenian dead was calculated to be between 450,000 and 850,000,
and now it was up to from 800,000 to a cool million.
How many Armenians have died in massacres?
During the siege of Van the Turks are said to have slaughtered 55,000 Armenians in
the surrounding country. That is the report brought back by the Americans who were
in Van during the siege; one of them told me that the Russian authorities forbade
people after that to eat fish drawn from the great inland lake Van, because of the
multitude of the floating corpses of massacre victims.
Holdwater adds: Now we can see how
inaccurate and prejudiced his information was. If the fish were contaminated, that
resulted from the corpses of mostly Kurds. (Insult to injury... murder others, then
claim their corpses as your own.) Most who got slaughtered in Van were the
Turks/Muslims, at the hands of the Armenians. (As British writer C.F. Dixon-Johnson reported
took place in 1915, and as the equally-at-first-prejudiced Americans Niles and Sutherland found out,
during a later period... among many other sources.) After Dr. Rockwell cites
"horror (after) horror," he states:
How many Armenians are left? In May, 1916,
the best figures were as follows:
Aleppo, Zor, Damascus, and southward
Constantinople & Smyrna, natives
not deported, about
Armenians in other parts of Turkey, perhaps.
Refugees in the Russian Caucasus
In districts of Turkey occupied by Russia
In Salmas, Persia, (some refugees from Turkey)
Total living Armenians..........................................1,139,900 m
Holdwater adds: This does not
take into account all the Armenians who had emigrated to Western Europe, America and
other nations in the previous few years... since the most reliable census figures
If the accurate "mean" figure of
total Armenians in the Ottoman Empire was 1,300,000 (that is, should the argument of
all the different census information provided earlier makes sense to you), and if
the "total living Armenians" were around 1,000,000 (let's not say 1,139,900, since the
doctor goes on to report: "hundreds are dying
daily; that mothers are throwing babies into the Euphrates in despair... (Holy Bejeebers!) Therefore we may lop off another
hundred thousand or two as the terrible toll," then
1,300,000 minus 1,000,000 equals... 300,000 Armenian dead.
As Sam Weems put it... "Rarely, in the pages of history, have facts been so
deliberately altered to deceive and create an untrue picture."
This 300,000 figure comes up again and again
when common sense is applied to the COLD, HARD FACTS. Anyone who figures more than
double this figure... 600,000... Armenians having perished is not being
Holdwater believes the number of dead
Armenians was shy of 600,000, because he trusts Professor Justin McCarthy most of
all. (Professor McCarthy sheds some light on who this William Rockwell was...
William Rockwell was a minister, and a Chief Missionary Propagandist
of the American Committee! Now the knuckleheaded story about the mothers throwing
babies makes a LOT more sense..!) Of course, as much as Holdwater has settled on
less than 600,000, the argument for half that number is pretty persuasive, when you
take a look at this (after the "Toynbee" and the "Montgomery"
Yes, the title was "Three" anti-Turks kicking in, but
let's add a fourth... who was anti-Turkish before and during the war years, but
mended his ways afterwards. In the Blue Book, Toynbee concluded 600,000
Armenians had died. (British archives, FO, Hc. 1/8008, XC/A-018055, p. 651.) As we
read from the Toynbee reference above, this same figure was
used in the 1918 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica.)
And a fifth: George Montgomery was the hateful missionary who
later became the director of the Armenia-America Society. In his report, "The Non-Arab
Portion of the Ottoman Empire," he estimated the Ottoman-Armenians'
prewar population as 1.6 million, adding, "It is safe to say that the figures
do not err on the side of exaggeration as to numbers of Armenians." In the
same report, he calculated 1.104 million surviving Armenians. Montgomery's
mortality: no more than 500,000.
Computations Used to Arrive at the 300,000 Figure
During the struggle for independence, the French
evacuated Marash. and 5,000 Armenians left Marash with the French. The date was 10
February 1920. The journey lasted until 14 February. The result: 200 dead, among which 7
officers, and commander Marty; 300 wounded were brought back; 11 wounded were abandoned in
Marash; 150 evacuated had their legs frozen; 2-3,000 Armenians died during the
Did the French massacre these Armenians?
So begins the thought-provoking and
logical excerpt written by Kamuran Gürün in his excellent book, "The Armenian
File — The Myth of Innocence Exposed." Could the figure for the
Armenian dead actually have been 300,000? It's hard to argue with these facts; click on this link to read further.
In the link above, there is
reference to what the Armenian Patriarch gave as the survivors' statistic to the British
in 1921 (amounting to over a million), but here's some other information that came my way,
from an early 2000 letter written by Professor Salahi Sonyel to the Armenian owned British
newspaper, The Independent, and yet another anti-Turkish article written by
"mad dog" reporter Robert 'Tsk-Tsk' Fisk: "At the time The
Armenian population of the Ottoman state numbered 1,294,851. In February 1921 the Armenian
Patriarch of Istanbul told missionary Caleb F. Gates, The American president of Robert
College in Istanbul, that 944,000 Ottoman Armenians were 'still alive.' "
Subtract this nearly one million
figure from a pre-existing Armenian population of nearly 1,300,000, and what do you get?
This is not an estimation of the number of
Armenians living in the empire, but the number who died from the relocations.
From the Los Angeles Herald Examiner's
January 31, 1982 article, “Death
in Westwood”... written by Russell Warren House:
"In 1977, the French newspaper Le Figaro,
prompted by Armenian outrages in France, investigated their background and came up
with a figure of 15,000 Armenians dead from shootings, sickness and
deprivation on the march."
And this from the Armenian
did Le Figaro of 1923 know that Le Figaro of 1977 would attempt
to answer their cartoonist's own question
WERE RELOCATED AND HOW MANY WERE ACTUALLY MASSACRED?
In a similar ballpark of Le
Figaro's claim of 15,000 is a study conducted by Yusuf Halaçoğlu
Behind the Relocation," estimating 50,000 who died on the march,
from massacres, famine and disease. Boghos Nubar Pasha gave the breakdown of
Armenians dispersed to various areas after the "deportation" (in a 1918
report he sent to Monsieur Gout, the representative of the French Foreign Ministry;
copy of letter is below) as follows:
The above figures form a
total of 390,000, but the Armenian Delegation Chief argued that the number of the
deportees actually ran into 600-700,000 that excluded the exiles dispersed in the
deserts. [from: Archives des Affaires Etrangeres de France, Serie Levant,
1918-1928, Sous Serie Armenie, Vol. 2, folio 47)] However, since the Ottomans
did not control Caucasia or Iran and no Armenians could have been sent to those
areas, the 290,000 from Caucasia and Iran that Boghos Nubar accounts for must have
left on their own accord. If one then subtracts 290,000 from the
"600-700,000" deportee number given by the Armenian representative, one
arrives at the 400,000-plus total Dr. Halaçoğlu provides, using authentic data
taken from the government or police archives of the time.
The exact figure given by the
Turkish professor is 422,758 resettled Armenians, with 42,766 who
remained behind in the eastern and central Anatolian provinces.
This is somewhat in
accordance with the 500,000 alive and well Armenians that Toynbee reported in
his propagandistic "Treatment of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire,"
and Morgenthau recorded in his private diary after a meeting with an Armenian representative (adding that the
"Armenians at Zor were fairly well satisfied... already settled down to
business and are earning their livings.")
More importantly, this figure is in
line with what the Armenians claimed, when they lobbied General Harbord in 1919; the
general concluded: "Probably (500,000)
were deported..." (See above.)
The final estimated sum in Ottoman documents regarding
Armenians who died during the relocation as a result of bandit attacks is 9,000 -
10,000. Some starved to death on the road, and another 25-30,000 are believed to
have succumbed to such diseases as typhoid or dysentery, raising the number of
casualties to some 50,000. (Late 2005 ADDENDUM: Below is a link demonstrating how the
professor arrived at this number.)
The professor writes: "...(I)t is believed that some
Armenians marked for deportation had been smuggled out of the country and taken to
Russia, Western Europe and the United States . In the documents there are records
that about 50,000 of the Armenians under arms had defected to the Russian Army and
50,000 others were trained in the U.S. Army for the past three or four years to
fight the Turks. A letter sent by an Armenian living in the United States to Murad
Muradyan, a lawyer in Mamuretülaziz, contains such information." (Holdwater is not sure about the "50,000 trained in the U.S.
Army" statement. ADDENDUM, 1-07: Still unsure, but Lloyd E. Ambrosius
wrote in his "Wilsonian diplomacy and Armenia" chapter of "America
and the Armenian genocide of 1915": "Wilson and Lansing sanctioned
covert financial assistance to the British and French governments to support their
operations designed to defeat the German-Turkish alliance and, incidentally, to
support the Armenians," indicating the USA was pursuing an active anti-Ottoman
policy, short of declaring war.)
This is the
Armenian Delegation President's letter to M. Gout, Foreign Affairs Minister of
France (Holdwater now wonders about the "Gout" part; Nubar wrote another
letter to the French Foreign Minister on Dec. 3, bragging about Armenian
belligerence, which may be found on the Nubar
page. The "Dec. 3" minister is identified as Stephen Pichon):
Paris, le 11 décembre 1918
Mon Cher Ministre,
Ainsi que vous m'en avez exprimé le désir, j'ai l'honneur de vous donner
ci-dessous une évaluation approximative que nous avons des déportés et réfugiés
de Turquie, qui sont dans un complet dénuement et ont besoin d'être secourus
Il s'en trouve environ 250.000 au Caucase
40.000 en Perse
80.000 en Syrie-Palestine
20.000 a Mossoul-Bagdad
Le nombre total des déportés a été évalué de 6 a 700.000 âmes. Les chiffres
que je vous donne ne sont donc que ceux des rescapés se trouvant actuellement en
territoire conquis par les troupes alliées. Quant au reste des déportés
disséminés encore dans les déserts nous n'avons jusqu'ici aucun renseignement à
Veuillez agréer, Mon Cher Ministre, l'assurance de ma haute considération et de
mes sentiments dévoués.
(Signé) BOGHOS NUBAR
ANOTHER (ARMENIAN?) SOURCE ON REFUGEES:
Noradungian Gabrial presented the following data to the
subordinate commission of the Lausanne Conference:
345,000 to the Caucasus
140,000 to Syria
120,000 to Greece and the Aegean Islands
40,000 to Bulgaria
50,000 to Iran
...for a total of 695.000 Armenians having left Anatolia.
Hatisov (a later Armenian President) in a message to
Hüseyin Rauf: "There are 400.000 Armenians in the Caucasus, who escaped
from the Ottoman State." (Akdes, Nimel Kurat, Turkey and Russia, Ankara,
Prof. Hovannisian's figures, as
Iraq ... 25,000
SUPPLEMENTING POST WAR ARMENIAN FIGURES:
The number of Armenians, from K.Gurun's "The
Armenian File," p. 218:
1927 census, Turkey: 123,602
1931 census, France: 35,000
Canadian Reports : 1,244
420,000 ===> Updated up to 500,000 by Hovannisian*
*"The chaotic situation in
Armenia was intensified by the presence
of approximately 500,000 refugees, nearly 350,000 of whom were
crammed into the Erevan guberniia." "The Republic of Armenia -
After adding this new difference of
80,000 (500,000-420,000) to 948,682, the result becomes:
Armenians from European countries such as England also need to be added
THE MOTHER OF ANTI-TURKS ON
"...[H]undreds of thousands
— the number is variously estimated at from 500,000 to 800,000 — have
Viscount Bryce, introduction, "Armenia
and the War" by Avetoon Pesak Hacobian, 1918. (In an Oct. 7, 1915 New
York Times account, Bryce was reported to have counted 800,000
as "destroyed"; he must have worked his way downwards, in later
years.) ADDENDUM, 3-07: "In May 1916 there should
(according to p.664 of Bryce's Blue Book) be only 1,150,000 Armenian survivors
and the number of the executed amounted to a minimal 600,000 after all, and
not 800.000 as he was alleging a year ago!" Sven Hedin, Bagdad, Babylon,
1914-1919" (1941) further informs us of
these other estimates of Armenian mortality:
200,000: from the report of the commission
on Responsibilities at the Peace Conference, "Violation of the Laws
and Customs of War," p. 30. There is a notation in the introduction
that the figures are not “exhaustive or complete.” (More. The evidence came directly from Armenians.)
500,000: Arnold Toynbee, "The Treatment of Armenians in the
Ottoman Empire," p. 651. (ADDENDUM, 3-07: The same page number
was provided for a total of 600,000; see above. This needs to be confirmed.)
600,000: Djemal Pasha's ballpark figure from Memories of a Turkish
Statesman. The figure is accompanied by the phrases, "Let us
assume," on one page, and "it is said," on another.
1,000,000, approx.: Johannes Lepsius, "Deutschland und Armenien
600,000-800,000: Philip Mansel, Constantinople:
City of the World's Desire, 1453-1924 (London, 1995). The author added the
Turks had "decided on a policy of extermination."
630,000: Raymond Kévorkian, "L'Extermination des déportés
arméniens ottomans dans les camps de concentration de Syrie-Mésopotamie
(1915-1916)," 1996, p. 61. Kévorkian was behind a
"reliable" count, above.
Missak Torlakian (assassin of an Azeri official, Oct. 1921 British
military courtroom trial in
Istanbul); The lawyer
was trying to justify his client’s crime by focusing on Armenian sufferings
during 1915. When asked to be specific, the lawyer replied, “ It is
impossible to confirm or deny what happened during the relocation. Some were
killed, some died after reaching their destinations. Sixty thousand
Armenians were killed, six hundred thousand settled in various parts of
the Middle East.” From the Turkish newspaper,Cumhuriyet, Dec. 28, 2005. The lawyer's
name is "Hasruyan" here, but is given as "Humayyak (or
'Hmayak') Khosrovian" in an Armenian source.
50,000: "Assertions of Armenians" for the
"massacred." ARMENIANS ARE BLAMED,
The Duluth Herald,
Oct. 9, 1915.
Holdwater: The last two shocking estimates by Armenians
are beginning to make Prof. Halacoglu's conclusion below sound believable.
ON THE REALLY LOW END...
Prof. Yusuf Halacoglu, chairman of the Turkish
Historical Society (TTK), offers a radical view on Armenian mortality, claiming only
51,795 were killed. He supports this argument with a blow-by-blow account
from each region, taking place between 1914 to 1921, as recorded in the Turkish
TALAT PASHA? (and Halil Berktay)
April 2005, a "genocide" series was featured on hurriyetim.com.tr, where folks from both sides of the
equation were interviewed, including Armenian-Turkish genocide advocates and
Turkish opportunists Halil Berktay and Taner Akcam. No historian was credited as far as I could figure, but there was
talk about what Talat recorded in a private notebook (described as with a dark
cover, or what some have come to call the "Black Book.") I'm getting the feeling "Turkish
scholars" (that is, the ones who don't belong to the genocide club, like
the Taner Akcam variety) who are getting into this "genocide" arena
are looking at things as if they're new discoveries, even though the
information probably has been around for a while. At
any rate, this information was not meant for public release, so we have to
conclude Talat... if Talat was the writer... believed in the accuracy. Here's
what the Ottoman leader said, according to the site's Apr. 27 page:
In 1914, there were 1,256,403
Ottoman-Armenians. (1,187,818 Gregorians and 63,967 Catholics.)
Talat made the note that in case there
were inaccuracies, the number could be up to 1.5 million. Very reasonable of
In later years, he also recorded the
number of relocated Armenians as: 924,158. In addition, the number of
Turks who were (and here we can use the word accurately) deported
from Russian conquered Ottoman lands is given as 702,905.
ADDENDUM, 5-06: The above information has been criticized by a few
scholars in the interim, as no historical source has been provided. Whether
this information came from Talat Pasha, or whether that credit was bestowed on
Talat by an eager Turkish journalist is yet to be determined.
ADDENDUM, 6-06: A
reader affirms the above information is likely reputable, given that the
author obtained the information in the early 1980s from Talat Pasha's
still-living wife. A closer look.
In his interview, Halil Berktay
There were 1.5 million pre-war
Ottoman-Armenians. ("Osmanlı topraklarında yasayan 1.5 milyon
As for deaths, he brings up the
"educated" 1 million guess of novelist Orhan Pamuk. Berktay
believes, maybe 600,000, maybe 800,000, maybe a million.
Prof. Berktay forgets that the Armenians
concede one million survived.
Reactions to the Numbers
A Turk posted similar census figures
within a thread entitled "Did Armenian Casualities Amount To 1.5
Million?" in an Armenian forum (Hyeforum). As of March 2004, what did
the Armenian rank and file have to say?
There were only a couple of serious
responses. One ("Fadix") cited a Turkish professor (Secil Akgün)
who is reported to have said in a Turkish newspaper interview (Hürriyet,
April 27, 1987):
“The Ottomans do not have a definite number. That is, we have in our
hands contradictory numbers regarding the Armenian population within the
borders of the Ottoman Empire. I would think that Basmaciyan gives the most
accurate number. This is to be between two and three million.”
I would think what we are trying to get
at here is the consensus of impartial opinions. If there are many
"impartial" estimates that are under 1.6 million, and if there is
one that exceeds that figure... why would any real truth-seeker choose to
consider only the one that stands from the crowd? (Unless that one in
particular offers irrefutable evidence that would be simply overwhelming;
Holdwater has written to this professor to understand why the professor was so
convinced, but as yet the professor has not written back.)
ADDENDUM: I tried contacting
Prof. Akgün once more, and she replied, mentioning she never received my
first e-mail. She wondered whether Basmaciyan's figure represented the worldwide
Armenian population. In other words, the professor was NOT referring to the
pre-war Ottoman-Armenian population, after all. She wrote that she wanted to
check the original Hürriyet interview, and promised to get back to me.
Another, "Phantom," gave
credence to what post war Ottoman Interior Minister (Cemal) is reported to
have said: "during the wartime deportations some 800,000 Armenians
were killed." (Alemdar, a Turkish newspaper, March 15,
1919.) Most would not treat seriously what officials of a beaten puppet
government would have had to say — especially when conquerors were occupying
the capitol. ADDENDUM, 4-07:
As with every other Armenian claim, there is a lot more to this story
than meets the eye.
That was it for the historical defense.
Some tried logic, such as "Setrak": "...numbers aren't
important at all. It's the intention of killing someone that is at the
core of things. Even one loss of human life is one too many."
Setrak doesn't mention the hundreds of
thousands of Turks/Muslims intentionally killed by the Armenians, but he does
"Numerically these events may not be 'equal' but the singularity of
the event namely the killing of a group of people has equal worth. If the
Turks had the intention to exterminate all of us but managed to kill only a
few hundred people that wouldn't that also classify as a genocide?"
Then the question begging to be asked
comes into play: what would have prevented the Turks from killing all the
Armenians, if extermination was the real intention? ADDENDUM, 4-07: The 1948 U.N. Convention's "in
part" part requires a number that would be high enough to threaten the survival
of the group. So, no, a few hundred would not classify as a genocide.
There were a couple of others who
hypocritically went with a similar tactic, where suddenly the numbers made no
difference whatsoever; "Take all the numbers of the victims and find
the average and for your sake devide the result by 5. It still does not deny
the fact of the genocide."
Talk about denialism!
One Armeni-Lemming dismisses the
figures, saying something to the effect that these figures have been
encountered by Armenians before ... but they are invalid because they appear
in Turkish government sites. In other words, we all know the Turkish
government is a liar, and anything that appears in a Turkish government site
must be rejected out of hand.
Has this intellectual stopped to think
whether the figures were created by the Turkish government, or whether they
originated from distinct sources? For example, if Patriarchate member Vahan
Vardapet estimated 1,263,900 as the bulk of Ottoman-Armenians in the 19th
century, and the Armenian Patriarch Ormanian estimated some 1,579,000 in the
20th century, of what relevance is defaming the character of the party who
chooses to cite such information? (That's the typical Armenian tactic; throw
off the emphasis on the facts by concentrating on the smear campaign.)
That was it for the common sense.
Generally, the nicer Armenians on board did not want to consider the validity
of the numbers at all. "Armat" wrote: "I am not going to
defend the historical reality of the Armenian Genocide with you. There is no
other side. Denialists do not have an equivalent side to debate on this matter
meaning your garbage belongs in the garbage basket."
However, the majority of the
intellectuals had their own way of dealing with this matter; let's provide you
with a small sampling, so you can get the general idea:
I asked you before to go and sniff rears
in your turkish web sites or forums We dont like you or your likes of stinky
Can someone trow this insect out of our house, or shall I smash it myself?
The best turk is the dead turk!
So if a Jew and a Turk are lovers and have a child, would that child be a
As to (Turkish) Taffy- The stupidest form of candy! What is so great about it?
Brave barbaric nomadic sub-human turks cannot qualify for the human race!
ARMENIAN "DUCK AND DODGE," AS PRACTICED BY RICHARD HOVANNISIAN, IN A 1983
PBS-TV DEBATE; WHEN THE
"PROPAGANDIST PROFESSOR" RESIDES OVER A MONOLOGUE, "1.5 MILLION"
ATTAINS THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE; WHEN CAUGHT IN A WORRISOME DIALOGUE, SUDDENLY
THE NUMBERS DON'T MATTER:
When asked if the 1.5 million figure is
accurate for the number of Armenians killed, Hovannisian said that numbers were
not important. He said, "a whole nation died." He asserted that
Armenians were moved and lost their way of life in their homeland forever.
Moderator Ungar then turned to Justin McCarthy, Associate Professor of Middle
Eastern History at the University of Louisville in Kentucky, and asked if he agreed.
McCarthy expressed his concern about the way Armenians present the facts. He
argued that numbers were important, stating that over 2 million Moslems lost
their lives in the conflict. He said what happened was a people problem in which
everyone suffered, especially the peasants who really did not want to fight in the
war on either side. McCarthy said he was interested in verifiable facts and
that he knew of no evidence to show there was a deliberate policy to wipe out the
Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. He added, "any historian who says he knows
the truth is not true to his profession." According to McCarthy, 600,000
Armenians perished due to starvation, cholera, typhoid, typhus, and outright murder,
all of which also took the lives of 2 million Moslems.
Peter Balakian sounded
comfortable with "more than a million" Armenians having died, which (to my
ear) implies just a bit over, and not exceeding 1.1 million. He pointed to
"more than a million" in his "The Burning Tigris," and he signed his name
to a 1998 commemoration, claiming "More than a million
Armenians were exterminated..."
But when it suits his purpose, the number goes
up and up. The August 1, 2003 Kirkus review for Tigris wrote:
"Balakian estimates that between 1.2 and 1.3 million Armenians were killed in
the years between 1915 and 1922, though some historians put the figure at 1.5
Peter Balakian, quoted in the Chronicle of
Higher Education (May 4, 2004):
"About 1.5 million Armenians died during the 20th century's first modern
episode of race extermination, and another million were permanently exiled from
their homeland of 2,500 years."
That must have been intensive research on Mr.
Balakian's part, to have shot up a good several hundred thousand in less than one
year. Too bad he couldn't have made the sensational discovery in time for his book.
The old Armenian "Duck and Dodge"
appears to be practiced across the board. In his "What Every Armenian Should Know," Dr. Dennis R. Papazian
wrote (Q. 16):
The Turks play with numbers in a grotesque
way. They argue that only 600,000 Armenians were killed not 1.5 million. Would this
change the basic truth that a genocidal massacre occurred in 1915? ... Does it
really make the Turks better if they succeeded in killing only 600,000 Armenians and
not 1.5 million? In any case, it was genocide.
In this very same paper, Dr.
Papazian actually claimed a figure of three million
"exterminated" Armenians a few questions earlier, while voicing his
outrage about the grotesquery of playing with numbers. On one hand, the Armenians
love to gain the maximum sympathy value by exaggerating their numbers as much as
they can get away with. When cornered to come up with actual proof of their fairy
tale figures, they then take the moral high road by harrumphing that numbers do not
ADDENDUM, April 2007:
Vahakn Dadrian has provided mortality estimates ranging from 1.2 million to
1.5 million in his various works, as examined in this TAT page. Prof. Kemal Cicek has told me that he interviewed
Dadrian, and Dadrian offered the figure of 1.1 million.
MANY TURKS DIED?
I don't have that much information on Turkish
casualties. Obviously, the accent is always on the poor Armenians, and the Turks' lives
simply were not that important. However, assuming Turks are no less human than Armenians,
then perhaps it would be fair to briefly look at the other side of the equation.
A figure I keep hearing is from 2.5 million to 3
million Turks perished. (Stanford Shaw says 2 million, above.) Let's take the median of
these figures. (Justin McCarthy says 2.5
million... so I'm comfortable with that.) Some Turks are
quick to claim all of these 2.5 million died at the hands of Armenians... I think out of
frustration that the Turks have been so slandered all these years (and since there is
definite proof that Armenians acted bloodthirstily), and figuring it's about time the
Armenians got their comeuppance or a taste of their own medicine, these people aren't
thinking very clearly... because the 2.5 million figure applies to death from all causes,
including war losses, famine, and disease. Just like the "600,000" Armenians who
died did not die from direct massacres... contrary to what the Armenians and their
supporters would have us believe. (In their case, they would like us to believe at LEAST
1,500,000 Armenians died directly from massacres.)
ADDENDUM, April 2007:
"Muslim population losses in Anatolia from 1914 to 1922 were actually almost three
million; only 2.4 million are listed in the table because central and northern areas
of Anatolia that were not in the war zone have been excluded." (Justin McCarthy, Death
and Exile, Chapter 8; emphasis
Unfortunately, since all the information that is
readily available singles out the Armenians' tragedy, I really haven't made an effort to
take a better look at the details behind the Turkish losses. Here is the best I've been
able to come up with.
Casualties in the Hundred
When the Russian armies invaded Turkey after
the Sarikamish disaster of 1914, their columns were preceded by battalions of
irregular Armenian volunteers, both from the Caucasus and from Turkey. One of these
was commanded by a certain Andranik, a bloodthirsty adventurer.
These Armenian volunteers, in order to avenge
their compatriots who had been massacred by the Kurds, committed all kinds of
excesses, more than 600,000 Kurds being killed between 1915 and 1916 in the
eastern vilayets of Turkey.
Hassan Arfa, from the anti-Turkish book, The Kurds (1968,
A British colonel reported that the Armenians
“massacred between 300,000 and 400,000 Kurdish Muslims in the Van and Bitlis
(British Colonel Wooley, U.S.
Archives, 12.9.1919, 184.021/265; Samuel Weems' “Armenia — Secrets of a ‘Christian’
Terrorist State,” 2002 and McCarthy's "Death & Exile.")
"There are only 1500 Turks left in Van,
the rest having been exterminated."
The Gotchnag, Armenian newspaper published in the United States, May 24th,
1915 issue; Cuinet figured 250 000 Moslems in Van in 1892. (French "Yellow
Book" ) (Holdwater: this Internet quote needs to
be verified. The date is wrong; the closest issues for the weekly are from May 22
and May 29. This quote appears to have been from a book by Salahi Sonyel, p. 110: "On
21 May Tsar Nicholas sent a telegram to the Armenian revolutionary committee in Van,
thanking it 'for its services to Russia' : whilst the Armenian newspaper
Gochnak, published in the United States, proudly reported on 24 May that 'only 1.600
Turks remain in Van', the rest having been slaughtered, or expelled.")
"It is important however to underline that the Armenian communities are not the
only ones to have been ground down by the plague of the war. In the spring of 1915,
the tsarist army moved to the region of the lake of Van, dragging behind it
battalions of volunteers composed of Caucasus and Turkish Armenians. (...) For each
of the provinces which suffered from the Russian occupation and from the Armenian
militias acts of vengeance, an important demographic deficit appears in the
statistics of the post-war years — adding up to several hundred thousands of
souls due largely to the massacres committed by the enemy."
"Histoire de l'Empire Ottoman (History of the Ottoman Empire)", supervised
by Robert Mantran, Editions Fayard, Paris, 1989, page 624
150,000 Muslims massacred by Armenians was
reported in the October 9, 1915 issue of Germania.
"They [Armenians] burned and destroyed many Turkish
villages as punitive measures in their advance and practically all Turkish villages
in their retreat..."
General Hamelin in a letter to the High
Commissioner, February 2, 1919, "Les Armees Francaises au Levant," vol. 1,
"...that they [Armenians] boasted of having raised an army of one hundred and
fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned at least a hundred
Turkish villages and exterminated their population."
Source: John Dewey, "The Turkish Tragedy", The New
Republic, November 12, 1928
is What Sounds Like a Reliable Figure
We have to consult the four-volume “Arsiv
Belgelerine Gore Kafkasya’da ve Anadolu’da Ermeni Mezalimi" (Armenian Savagery in
Caucasus and Anatolia according to Archival Documents) published by the Ottoman Archives
Department Directorate to get the most correct information on this issue. These documents
prove that the Armenians killed a total of 517,955 Turks during the 1914-1921
period. Let’s mention within this context the fact that the Armenian activists have
always minimized the losses suffered by the Turkish people in order to support their
thesis that the Ottoman Armenians were killed on purpose and in accordance with a plan.
From Amb. Sükrü Elekdag's Dr. Halil Berktay
comes up short on “events of 1915,” Milliyet
Here is the Documentation for the Above Figure!
Unbelievable. Constructing this web site has taken a
good several months, and I now ran into my notes regarding the documentation
of Turks massacred by Armenians in the Turkish web site, ermenisorunu.gen.tr (direct
link below). At the time, I took out the calculator and cursorily tallied the
figures... having no idea about the amount Ambassador Elekdag used, from the source
above. (When I noticed it, that figure sounded so... disturbingly exact.)
The results of my calculator showed exactly the same
figure: 517,955. (I'm more impressed that my quick addition with no
double-checking wound up with this confirming result.)
(2005 Turkish research summarizes
120,000 as being polished off in 1915, and the rest in 1916-1918, winding up with a
higher result, 530,000. An additional 500,000 died from famine and disease.)
Here are the details:
LIST OF MASSACRES BY ARMENIANS OF TURKS IN ANATOLIA AND CAUCASIA, 1914-1921
(Here is another source, with the tally at 518,105.)
According to this site's page, the final tally could
have wound up to be even greater, as there are a number of categories in the period
1906-1922 that are unaccounted for.
This means, if the total figure of Armenian dead
(300,000-600,000) came not only from massacres but from all causes combined, and if
over one-fifth of the total figure of Turks dead (2.5 million) resulted directly at
the hands of Armenians (that is, 518,000-600,000), that means more Turks were
murdered by Armenians than Armenians were murdered by Turks. The great injustice is,
we never hear about the Turks/Muslims who were targeted by Armenians in their bloody
campaign of systematic extermination... the REAL genocide.
In fairness to the Armenians, let us not forget the
Russian army might have lent a hand in some of this ethnic cleansing of Muslims,
since they were getting pretty expert at the Turk-extermination business, by then.
However, unlike earlier times, the Russians had reasons to keep the Muslims alive.
Massacres seem to almost entirely have been committed at the hands of Armenian bands before and during the
years the Russians entered the picture, and in the years following (after late 1917,
or so), the Armenians really went to town in what amounted to the true genocide of
I have raised the point elsewhere on this site that
one reason against the Armenian "Genocide" is that the Turks' lack of
technology would have prevented them from being the successful exterminators the
Armenians claim. Would not the same have applied to the Armenians, who also had no
Xylon-B or incinerators to expedite their killings? For the answer, let's keep in
mind the gendarmes assigned during the relocations were very few in number...
sometimes as few as two... since every Turk was needed at the various desperate
fronts. The Armenians, on the other hand, had many thousands of guerillas/soldiers
at their disposal, as Armenian leader Boghos Nubar admitted.
When they entered a defenseless village, in their mad bloodlust, they only had a single purpose: wipe the neighborhood clean
of all Turks/Muslims, down to every single child... violently, and without utilizing
the slow, indirect murder methods the Turks are often accused of, such as forced
starvation. The numbers could add up significantly, in the period of even a few
months... as witnessed in Rwanda, where a weapon of choice was the simple machete.
The Turks were willing to
forgive and forget... this is why they rarely bothered to defend themselves these
many years, against the juggernaut of anti-Turkish propaganda.... in the
spirit of moving on, and in exercising the mature decision of stressing brotherhood
and love. However, once the nutty Armenian terrorists began murdering folks right
and left during the 1970s and 1980s, they opened a huge Pandora's Box... Turks
figured, hey. We had better start telling what really happened. As a result, many
ignorant Turks who were kept in the dark about the Armenians' crimes now have an
excellent idea of the true nature of events. (Yet, no Turk will blame the
beastliness of the Armenians' forefathers on Armenians today... that was then, and
this is now... in contrast to the hatred inbred in most Armenians, feeding their raison d'etre, the perpetuation of their beloved genocide.com.)
What does all this mean? One
day... one day.... people over the world will come to recognize what they have been
told by the Armenians and their endless apologists has been a big lie. This will be
a long process, since undoing the Turks' horrible reputation (as Cyrus Hamlin put it so beautifully, above)
will take a lot of effort... but one day, it will happen. And when it does, general
history will recognize the Armenians as having been the true "Nazis." The
Armenians couldn't let well enough alone, and one day they will come face to face
with this monumental irony.
Related: Documentation of
Massacres upon Turks by Armenians
A look at the mid-1890s numbers
Armenian and Western Post War Armenian Statistics
Justin McCarthy's The
End of the Muslim Land and Cataclysm
East Relief Report from 1921-22